tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10292815.post7629361029968172941..comments2023-11-05T04:21:08.093-08:00Comments on I Was Just Thinking: Mitt and Mike (don't) discuss Jesus and Lucifer...littlemissattitudehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09826943351455750612noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10292815.post-37951087201758185082008-02-12T02:38:00.000-08:002008-02-12T02:38:00.000-08:00Would certainly agree with Ima on this it would ap...Would certainly agree with Ima on this it would appear to be more about politics but then aren't governments often influenced and affected by religion the real question we need to be asking is should they be aloud to bring in religious ideals and views into politics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10292815.post-51699556146003588802007-12-20T13:24:00.000-08:002007-12-20T13:24:00.000-08:00Kris...again, thanks for your comments.I think tha...Kris...again, thanks for your comments.<BR/><BR/>I think that one thing we can definitely agree on is that the Mike/Mitt thing <I>is</I> very much about politics and swaying voters and pretty much not about religion at all.littlemissattitudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826943351455750612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10292815.post-84085652475056034502007-12-20T11:44:00.000-08:002007-12-20T11:44:00.000-08:00I was not suggesting that YOU were tearing down ot...I was not suggesting that YOU were tearing down other peoples' beliefs but that this Mike/Mitt thing really stinks of "I am better than you (or my religion is better than yours)" and all for political gain. I guess that is why I think governments are inherently corrupt (no matter who the candidate).<BR/><BR/>I will suggest however that there is a VERY fine line between civil disagreements in beliefs and tearing other peoples' beliefs down. Anyone that hides behind "freedom of speech" and "I am free to disagree" in order to systematically degrade someone else's choices in anything, religion included, is terrible and disgusting. AND sad. But that is just MY opinion and you are free to disagree.<BR/><BR/>Why would I want to waste my precious time berating everyone else's choices where really, whose choices should be of most concern to me?<BR/><BR/>K.Krishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06372904383979683415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10292815.post-32179693061073685372007-12-20T07:49:00.000-08:002007-12-20T07:49:00.000-08:00Thanks for your comments, Kris.I do think I need t...Thanks for your comments, Kris.<BR/><BR/>I do think I need to point out that I'm not about tearing down anyone's beliefs in this post. I'm fine with anyone believing anything they want to. I don't have to agree with them, and I have just as much of a right to state that disbelief as any member of the church has to declare their belief. Certainly, people often tell me they disagree with things that I own that I believe, and I don't consider that to be tearing down my beliefs. We just believe differently.<BR/><BR/>The issue I have is here is that people, and churches in this case, hold beliefs that they seem reluctant to own up to. Believe that God has a wife (or wives)? Fine. Be up front about that. Believe that humans can, if they are obedient enough, become gods and goddesses in their own right? That's fine, too, but don't teach that to believers (as it was taught constantly when I was active in the church) and then have the leader of the faithful go on television and say "I don't know that we teach that."<BR/><BR/>That sort of denial is just dishonest, in my opinion. It also leaves the impression that the church is embarrassed by some of its teachings. Now, that is sad.littlemissattitudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826943351455750612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10292815.post-90823304468521612662007-12-19T22:32:00.000-08:002007-12-19T22:32:00.000-08:00I don't think that Mitt Romney will win the presid...I don't think that Mitt Romney will win the presidency because of his religion (I don't think all mormons will vote Mitt..I wouldn't) That aside, I've commented here before...I am not sure I have ever heard the whole 'God has more than one wife' deal. Neat. Does it really matter? And Jesus checks the church records? COOL! Seriously what the hell?! Also does it matter if Satan was the brother of Jesus or not? Mybe he was a step brother or just an uncle Jesus called his brother? I don't get what the big deal is really. Then again maybe it is, I haven't been following the whole Mitt vs. Mike thing.<BR/><BR/>I guess what I really wanted to ask is why there are some people that have to constantly tear other people/their beliefs/in this case religion down? Why?! It's just ridiculous. If I spent as much time tearing everyone else down, I'd be just miserable...it's sad.<BR/><BR/>Just my opinion though. <BR/>K.Krishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06372904383979683415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10292815.post-81876993125424069512007-12-16T17:14:00.000-08:002007-12-16T17:14:00.000-08:00Lessie...thanks for stopping by.It just amazes me ...Lessie...thanks for stopping by.<BR/><BR/>It just amazes me how ready some of the members of the church's hierarchy are to distance themselves from any teaching that they think looks too weird to the outside world. It is especially interesting considering that Mormons used to be proud of being "a peculiar people". Now, it seems, they just want to look like everyone else as long as it profits them in some way.<BR/><BR/>Welcome, Rich...I tried the "making a difference from the inside thing", too. Unfortunately, the institution doesn't work that way, in my experience.<BR/><BR/>As for H. P. Lovecraft...I've read a little and keep intending to get around to reading more, but I just haven't managed to do so yet. My to-read pile just keeps getting bigger and bigger and my available time for recreational reading seems to be shrinking at an incredible rate, what with work, other writing projects (including writing time and research time), blogging, moderating over at sffchronicles (which reminds me, I need to update that link), and keeping up with family responsibilities. I seem to fall asleep reading every night lately, even when the book I'm reading is a good one.<BR/><BR/>I hope both of you will stop back in from time to time.littlemissattitudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09826943351455750612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10292815.post-73092291842132720742007-12-14T21:21:00.000-08:002007-12-14T21:21:00.000-08:00Hey, I'm also just droppin' in.FWIW, I'm still act...Hey, I'm also just droppin' in.<BR/><BR/>FWIW, I'm still active (I keep thinking I can make a difference someday... haha) but I understand the concerns expressed here, and my best friend is an ex-mo (we have lunch together each week and I let him vent). <BR/><BR/>Seriously, do your HT's and VT's a favor and tell them (and your Bishop) you are no longer interested in any contact with the Church; it makes their job easier, and lets you have the peace you seek.<BR/><BR/>Change of subject -- Have you read any H. P. Lovecraft? I've been a huge fan since the 70's. "The Cats of Ulthar" is still my favorite story to read out loud.<BR/><BR/>Hat tip to xJane (and a friend at work), I'm currently reading George R. R. Martin's "Song of Ice and Fire" series, book two. I'm really enjoying it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10292815.post-27140979785483283302007-12-14T13:07:00.000-08:002007-12-14T13:07:00.000-08:00Hi Ima, I've never commented here before, but I sa...Hi Ima, I've never commented here before, but I saw a link to your blog over on Mind on Fire and thought I'd see what was going on. I usually enjoy your comments over there. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, I've noticed this as well about the missionary effort (I'm recovering Mormon myself). There's all these things that I've been taught since primary that all of a sudden leaders are backing out on. I don't know why they won't just own up to all these things. I enjoyed the post. <BR/><BR/>Also, I enjoyed your previous post about fitting in and trying to be reactivated. Ironically, my visiting teacher has been fine with my agnosticism and continues to invite me to birthday parties, etc. However, one of my friends still tries (almost every time I see her) to get me to come back to church. It's still annoying, though, no matter who's doing it.Lessiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10741982738892350097noreply@blogger.com